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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Sep 28, 2012 8:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa

I always thought that, as much drawn to the GD as I am, Zappa was an influence from the other side . His skepticism about drugs, and the more outlandish claims of the "scene" served me well . You could be really weird without drugs .
His music pushed me to investigate 20th century Classical music , and I then got the rest . I like to say, I got into Classical music thorough the bathroom window .
As for jazz, the Dead got me into Coltrane,and Miles ; Zappa got me into Mingus , & Eric Dolphy . His humor , and love/hate of the cheesier aspects of pop culture resonate with me still . I owe a lot to this guy .
But he was one unhappy, cynical bastard . As one friend of mine who met him near the end of his life , "he was one broken hearted oldman " . As he got older he got worse and worse . And his music became less interesting, and inspired . His humor went form social commentary, to mean spirited , or locker room ( and UNFUNNY locker room humor ). There are few people in Rock music that knew as much about music as he did ( Phil Lesh ), and his best stuff is truly brilliant . But, it pains me to say this, he was not as smart as he though he was . For one thing, outside of music , he was rather ignorant . He was not a well read guy .
The Dead have always been a good counter weight for me, the band, and Jerry in particular, radiated warmth( need I tell you folks ) and soulfulness, that is not, or rarely ( "Ruben and The Jets") there with Zappa's music . And Jerry was, when not in the depths of the drugs, a intellgent, reading, inquisitive guy . He was still learning the day he died . Frank already "knew it all" ...
I recommend this bio by Barry Miles .http://books.google.com/books/about/Zappa.html?id=2pPgG9AXjN4C
It is insightful, and not worshipful, yet still gets at what was great about this man and his music .

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 28, 2012 11:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa must be a Guy Thing

Zappa has to be pretty much A Guy Thing. Something about him always turned me off. Reading the lyrics posted, I have to think it must be that kinda stuff. I'm sure he's brilliant, but yucky brilliant.

Maybe he's like the Three Stooges. My experience is that women just don't laugh when guys hit each other on the head and twang each others' noises. Maybe I'm wrong and Zappa always had a huge number of women fans, but to me it just seems like he was The Thinking Adolescent's Three Stooges-and-Esoterica Sandwich.

A lot of pages from that bio are loaded on the google books links; interesting to skim a bit. Of course I looked for the Valley Girl part. (I liked THAT one!) It turns out he refused to let his kids go to college. Or at least wouldn't pay and discouraged them and so on. Such a dad. Gag me with a spoon.

Well, I'm sure he was a musical genius, just not my cup of yellow snow.




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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Sep 29, 2012 1:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa must be a Guy Thing

I think you are being charitable here Althea. I would say it's more of an inexperienced, adolescent boy thing.

I find him really quite irritating on the whole, in an immature sort of 'Hey look at me. I'm really weird' kind of way.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 29, 2012 9:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa must be a PERCEPTION Thing

Lou Reed's Speech

It's very rare in life to know someone who affects things; changes them in a positive way. I've been lucky enough to have known some in my life: Andy Warhol, Doc Hommis [?]. People whose vision and integrity was such that it moved the world a bit. People who, through the articulation of their talents and intelligence, were able to leave things better than they had found them. People who were not only not in it for the money, to paraphrase Frank Zappa. Frank Zappa was such a person and of the many regrets I have in life, not knowing him a lot better is one of them.
Whether writing symphonies, satirical broadsides or casting a caustic glow across the frontier of madness that makes up the American political landscape; whether testifying before Congress to put the PMRC in its rightful lowly place, or acting as a cultural conduit for President Vaclav Havel and the Czech government, Frank was a force for reason and honesty in the business deficient in those areas. As we reward some with money for the amusement they supply to the cultural masses, I think the induction of Frank Zappa in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame distinguishes the Hall as well as the inductee. [applause]
Musicians usually cannot speak. That's why they communicate through their instruments. But Frank was one who could. And because music is pure, the musician is pure as well and when Frank spoke he demonstrated the power of purity. Who will do that now? I admired Frank greatly and I know he admired me. It gives me great pleasure to give this award to his daughter, Moon Zappa. (2:17 min)
Moon Zappa's Acceptance Speech

This is so nice. Thank you, Lou. I really appreciate that.
I'm a little dyslexic and earlier I freed my ass. I'm hoping my mind will follow. [sigh, sniff] [Applause] Um, thank you and, uhh, I know you know I had said that this is the year of the end of the bullshit promises and I am really sorry that my father missed that. And, um, uhh, I've almost, almost, forgiven the Wait Staff here because my heart is open from watching all of this. [gestures towards the screen on which Zappa montage had been shown] and it's very odd to be back there [backstage] before you come up because you actually hear the command given but I just want to say that this really belongs to his, his fans and um, music really is a language and I think that some languages are easy to understand than others. I don't think it's any accident that the Slavic countries really appreciated my father the most because it's really hard to get the accents down and everything. And, um, I just really want to say thank you and I think that he would really have enjoyed this. Thank you. (1:44 min)
Speeches transcribed by John Scialli Text Editing & HTML by Andy Murkin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp6LT2MdaPI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vYW0ECES5g&;feature=related

This post was modified by bluedevil on 2012-09-30 04:30:09

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: May 23, 2013 7:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa must be a PERCEPTION Thing

I am going to assume that should read Doc Pomus ,who was a songwriter and friend of Lou's.He wrote Youngblood,Save the Last Dance for Me,This Magic Moment,Lonely Avenue and many more.

Here are some good Frank lyrics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbvVZpJgJb0

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 29, 2012 11:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa must be a PERCEPTION Thing

One of my faves!

http://archive.org/post/87061/apropos-of-nothing

http://archive.org/post/285882/haiti

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 30, 2012 12:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa must be a PERCEPTION Thing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c9EfRZXglg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITzON0o7aUw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAUAwKTNuz0&;feature=related

Let the words be yours...

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Sep 29, 2012 8:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa must be a Guy Thing

That is an interesting point, and true in my experience . Mostly, "chicks" don't like Zappa . Even aside the "Yellow Snow", "Titties and Beer" stuff , and his crusty persona , his musical invention tends not to be the sort of thing that most women get into . In my 24 years selling Classical music, I sold very little Stravinsky, or Varese to female costumers .
Now sidestepping the "why do women in general like this sort of music and not this other music " debate, I might mention a few albums of his that might not be too offensive, or at least more femme-friendly ...
Burnt Weenie Sandwich - Except for the opening and closing songs , that are sort of doo-whop things , this is an instrumental album , with mostly agreeable melodies, and some jazz solos .
Waka/Jawaka, and/or The Grand Wazoo - Zappa's big band albums . A few vocal songs .
And for albums with vocals
We're Only In It For The Money - Really crazy, his response to the "Sgt. Pepper" era . Mostly social commentary. Some pretty weird stuff, but nothing that would scare a Deadhead Also you get to hear Eric Clapton say "It's GOD , It's GOD, I SEE GOD !".
One Size Fits All - Mostly a fun album . Nothing too offensive here, unless you love the city of San Bernardino . Has the great fusion treat "Inca Roads", and his stab at mock Wagnaria "Sofa".
Just some ideas .

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